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Uncut – June 2023

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The National, George Harrison, Mott The Hoople, Lucinda Williams, Durand Jones and Fatoumata Diawara all feature in the new Uncut, dated June 2023 and in UK shops from April 13 or available to buy online now. This issue comes with an exclusive free, 15-track CD of rarities, deep cuts, unreleased tracks, solo and collaborative hook-ups compiled by The National from their archive.

THE NATIONAL: Trouble, it seems, finally found The National. Existential bouts of writer’s block, insecurity and depression – exacerbated during the darkest days of the pandemic – called into question the band’s very future. Could they overcome their anxieties and find new ways to reconnect with each other? Would their often tense relationships survive? With a brilliant new album due for release this month, they tell Laura Barton, “Sometimes this intensely intimate relationship feels like a riddle that nobody can solve.”

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Inside the issue, you’ll find:

GEORGE HARRISON: To mark the 50th anniversary of George Harrison’s mysterious and magnificent second solo album, Living In The Material World, his great friend and go-to drummer Jim Keltner recalls their first meeting in 1971 and how they came to make the record, the first of numerous auspicious collaborations.

IAN HUNTER: Eighty-four years young in June, the indefatigable Ian Hunter is about to release the first of two new albums. A star-studded affair – including Jeff Beck’s final studio performance – it demonstrates how brightly the “true spirit of rock’n’roll” still burns within the former Mott The Hoople frontman.

LUCINDA WILLIAMS: Three years ago, a stroke left medical professionals wondering whether Lucinda Williams would ever walk again. With dogged resilience, however, she returns this spring with her long-awaited memoir and her 16th album – whose guests include Bruce Springsteen, Margo Price and Angel Olsen.

FATOUMATA DIAWARA: Escaping tragedy in her home country and beyond, Malian superstar Fatoumata Diawara has found respite reimagining her proud musical heritage in dynamic new ways. But with a new album, this inventive serial collaborator is going deeper than ever.

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In our expansive reviews section, we take a look at new records from Shirley Collins, Graham Nash, SBT, Tinariwen and more, and archival releases from Jonathan Richman, Calexico, Suarasama, Neil Young, Sharon Van Etten and others. We catch Nadia Reid live; among the films, DVDs and TV programmes reviewed are Pamfir and Little Richard: I Am Everything; while in books there’s Biography Of A Phantom and I Thought I Heard You Speak!

Our front section, meanwhile, features Joanna Newsom, The Go-Betweens,
Adele Bertei and Willie Nelson while, at the end of the magazine, Durand Jones shares her life in music.

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Welcome to the new Uncut: The National, George Harrison, Lucinda Williams and a free National CD

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For our cover story, The National let Laura Barton gatecrash their rehearsals for a TV appearance and live show, where she found the band re-energised after a difficult period characterised by writer’s block, self-doubt and depression. It’s a tale of friendships under stress, the power of music to nourish and, ultimately, unify. “It’s this intensely intimate relationship between five people,” says the band’s Aaron Dessner. “It’s complex. Sometimes it feels like a riddle that nobody can solve. But weirdly, the beauty of the music meant we found a way through.” The result is a strong new studio album, First Two Pages Of Frankenstein. Uncut has been on hand to document every National album since, I think, Alligator, so with the band freshly reinvigorated, what better time to elevate them to our pantheon of cover stars.

To complement The National’s first Uncut cover story, the band have compiled a tremendous free, 15-track CD of rarities, deep cuts, unreleased tracks, solo and collaborative hook-ups from their archive. There are cameos, too, from Michael Stipe, Robin Pecknold, Justin Vernon and Sufjan Stevens, but what strikes me most of all is the consistency of The National’s music – their willingness to push themselves and their music to its limits in the pursuit of creative goals.

Elsewhere in the issue, we have a bunch of new interviews with Ian Hunter, Lucinda Williams, Shirley Collins, Natalie Merchant, Fatoumata Diawara, Cian Nugent, The Orb and The Wild Swans, a report on Joanna Newsom’s live return and a celebration of Willie Nelson as he turns 90, while Jim Keltner shares his warm, funny and often moving memories of George Harrison. Among a heap of good things in our reviews pages – Sarabeth Tucek, Tinariwen, Jonathan Richman, Calexico – you can also read about Neil Young’s legendary ‘lost’ band, The Ducks. There’s a lot, in other words.

See you again next month.

Hear Danny Paul Grody’s meditative new track, “Light Blooms”

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Uncut is proud to present new music by Danny Paul Grody. The Californian guitarist returns with “Light Blooms“, from his forthcoming album, Arc Of Day.

Formerly a member of post-rockers Tarentel, Grody’s solo albums pushed away from Primitive American tradition towards something more meditative; Arc Of Day, Grody’s first new music since Furniture Music II in 2021, finds him exploring ambient and minimalist zones.

He’s accompanied by Rich Douthit (percussion), Jonathan Sielaff (clarinet) and Trevor Montgomery (bass), who provide discrete texture to Grody’s exploratory playing.

Arc Of Day is released on June 16 by Three Lobed Recordings. You can pre-order a copy here by clicking here.

Serge Gainsbourg’s Paris home to be opened to the public

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Serge Gainsbourg’s Paris home is to be opened to the public later this year.

Since the legendary singer, actor, artist and director’s death in 1991, his home has become a shrine for fans around the world who have left messages, graffiti portraits and flowers outside the home.

The property, which is owned by his actor daughter Charlotte Gainsbourg, has been kept as it was since he died. Now, the property will open to the public on September 20.

Much of his music was composed at the piano in the property’s living room and several of his album cover photos were taken in the house.

As per The Guardian, among the 25,000 items in the property include photography, musical instruments, his clothes as well as paintings by Salvador Dali and Claude Lalanne.

The Maison Gainsbourg website describes it as the “first cultural institution dedicated to Serge Gainsbourg”. It is expecting around 100,000 visitors per year.

As well as the house at 5 bis rue de Verneuil, a museum will open opposite the property with a bookshop and a cafe-piano bar, ‘le Gainsbarre.’

His daughter Charlotte has been working on the project for some time.

In 2021, Charlotte told AFP: “In the first 10 years (after his death) when I was the most sure of the project, it was complicated to make it happen. And then, I went backwards because it was all that I had left of him, so I kept it like a treasure.”

During the pandemic, Charlotte said she took “a step back … and [realised] that it had to be done. For the public but also for my mental health. I have to be able to detach myself from it. It has to be a place that is truly rooted in Parisian heritage, that is accessible.

“It’s his mansion, we’re not going to discover things about his work but the framework of his work. It’s him, his personality, it’s quite surprising. We have the image of artists who are in immense, luxurious spaces, but here it is relatively modest.

“At the beginning, it was the family house, with my mother, my sister, him and me. In my mother’s (Jane Birkin’s) time, there was very little, and then there was more and more of a very arranged mess. He turned it into a museum full of objects while he was alive, and it was hard to walk around without being afraid of breaking something.”

Unheard version of David Bowie’s “Let’s Dance” to be released

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An unheard version of David Bowie’s “Let’s Dance” is set to be released alongside a series of NFTs.

To celebrate the 40th anniversary of “Let’s Dance”, blockchain platform Gala Music has teamed up with writer and producer Larry Dvoskin (David Bowie, Robert Plant, Bono, The Beach Boys) to release a limited series of David Bowie inspired digital collectibles.

The series goes live April 14, giving fans early access to a previously-unheard version of “Let’s Dance” which was recorded 19 years after the original and produced by Dvoskin.

“I am first and foremost a huge Bowie fan. It would have been a mistake to attempt to copy the original. This is something different. David simply imagined a more dreamy, electronic version. He is the original disruptor of expectations,” he said.

Fans will also have the opportunity to purchase “bespoke pieces of Bowie-inspired art” with all initial proceeds going to MusiCares.

“When I first talked with the executor of the Bowie Estate, he told me he initially planned to listen to my pitch about releasing this as an NFT and then politely pass,” said Dvoskin.

“But when he pulled up the original 2002 email in which Bowie expressed his enthusiasm for doing the recording, that changed his mind. This was a creative endeavor David never got to see released during his lifetime. We are honoring his wish by releasing it now,” he continued.

The NFTs will be available to purchase via Gala.

Lucinda Williams shares “New York Comeback” with Bruce Springsteen

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Lucinda Williams has shared details of a new album and released its first single – listen to new Bruce Springsteen collaboration “New York Comeback” below.

The new single, which also features Springsteen’s wife Patti Scialfa on backing vocals, is the first preview of new LP Stories From A Rock n Roll Heart, which is due out on June 30 via Highway 20 Records/Thirty Tigers.

The album comes after Williams had to re-learn to play guitar and to walk again after a severe stroke, while her house in Nashville was also damaged by a hurricane just before the start of the COVID lockdown.

On April 25, Williams will also release a new memoir titled Don’t Tell Anybody The Secrets I Told You.

Stories From A Rock n Roll Heart also features contributions from a host of artists including Angel Olsen and Margo Price.

Listen to “New York Comeback” below.

Last year, Angel Olsen – one of the new album’s collaborators – shared a cover of Williams‘ track “Greenville” as part of the Amazon Originals series.

“There is no one like her out there,” Olsen said of the country folk singer. “It’s clear to me that her songs come from a very real place, and that’s the only kind of writing I like.”

Discussing her 2021 stroke in an interview with Rolling Stone, Williams said: “An ambulance came and got me and we told them not to put the big siren on. We didn’t want to alarm the neighbours or anything. But they put the siren on.”

Williams spent a week in the intensive care unit where doctors discovered a blood clot on the right side of her brain, which affected the left side of her body. She was then transferred to a rehabilitation centre to begin a monthlong treatment of therapy.

“What happens is your brain gets all… the wires get all crossed and you have to retrain your brain basically, to tell your arm to do whatever it is you’re trying to do. So that’s the biggest challenge,” Williams said of the healing process.

“I do, like, walking, with the cane and they watch me and see how well I’m doing. And then I have to do hand and arm exercises. It’s really about regaining my strength and mobility, and range of motion. That’s what they work with me on.”

Feist: “(Writing) gave me somewhere to go with my mind when I couldn’t go anywhere with my body”

With Feist set to release her latest album Multitudes, Uncut sits down for a Q&A session with the Canadian singer-songwriter. Read the full feature in the MAY 2023 issue of Uncut.

Your daughter’s birth and your father’s passing clearly had a profound effect on your life in countless respects. What was it like coming back to making music?

Songwriting felt simultaneously superfluous but also necessary. The times were so tight, with a new infant in my arms and lockdown all around us. The idea that music would be shared or a communal experience again felt very faint, so writing became an even more inward-facing task – it gave me somewhere to go with my mind when I couldn’t go anywhere with my body. It was a relief to focus on something ephemeral, maybe a bit escapist. The paradox in speaking about my dad is that my dad was an extremely private person. All I can really say about losing him is that writing songs also felt like a way to continue our conversations, which were always searching and curious and filled with laymen’s metaphysics, history and family lore. My dad was a painter and had a primary and private vocabulary he continued to develop until the day he died – when paintings were still drying on the floor, so to speak. To look for him in my own practice was to find only myself, and in that way force my heart to grow a few sizes. Love gained and love lost is an imperfect equation and only adds up to a million more questions no-one will ever be able to answer. But it gave me a heightened sense of gratitude.

What did you learn about what the songs needed via the Multitudes live performances in 2021 and 2022?

Well, the fact that we played those shows twice a night served the idea that the show was a workshop or incubator for new material. When we first conceived of filling this void caused by the pandemic, to use these massive theatres in a way they were never intended for, I got the chance to try anything I wanted. So the songs were being sanded and sanded until they felt like they’d hold water, and while they were so open to change, so was I. The container of the show was meant to make an old thing feel fresh again, the way the audience and I have related over all these years, with maybe a secret goal to lean myself way in and make room for them too. That ultra-closeness and feeling of emotional proximity had a lot to do with the songs becoming what they did.

What were the challenges when it came time to record them?

I’d say my main ethos going into recording – which was a train of thought I was following in the lyric-writing as well – was to try to cause myself to be as unobscured as I could. I wanted to shake the soft lens or beguilement of reverb, the pressure of signal noise, to close the gap between the causality of the self and the projected sense of self. It was about maybe letting the question of what life owes to art and vice versa be answered by just not hiding in production or metaphor. The production just followed those thoughts. Robbie heard me and understood that to the degree that he found a way to record my voice and guitar, which I wanted to do live but I’m not sure has been done quite that way before. It was exciting and clear and gave me a kind of vertigo. And Mocky really safeguarded the idea that we begin with me solo and build from there.

One of the most striking aspects is the variety of your own vocals – did the new songs necessitate a new way of using your voice, too?

I wrote these songs alone in a little converted shed next to my house and all I had was a digital eight-track and a nylon-string guitar. I worked hard on having the guitar push a lot of music and then fleshed out chords my hands didn’t quite know how to expand by singing big stacks of harmonies. So the amount of voices were there from the start, and also knowing we were building our show in surround sound gave me the chance to think of how these groups of singers could move, travel, carry an idea in one ear and out the other. I wanted them to ascend or evoke distance or be the feeling of many people raising their voices as one. So the voices were essentially another instrument.

Do you think there’s a more hopeful feeling to Multitudes than Pleasure or Metals had? It feels less hermetic, more engaged with the world.

I’d like to think that, so I’m glad if you do. The flipside to a crucible of life and death being revealed is that time materialises, concretises. For better or for worse, it becomes clear this is a finite experiment and I’d like to engage in it more fully, more mindfully. I’d like to be conscious that what each of us puts out into the world has consequences and I’d like to feel hope and love and to champion my own early attempts to become an optimist. It may also be that nurturing a new little person showed me how little I’ve taken care of myself over the years. We could all use a hand but wouldn’t it be something if we learned to provide ourselves the baseline of softness and a kind ear to our interior monologues? That way, we all have a little extra warmth to hand over when someone needs it, rather than looking outside of ourselves for solutions.

Feist’s Multitudes is out on April 14 via Polydor Records

Lankum – False Lankum

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Among these little islands to the north-west of the European mainland, the sea has always claimed a large slice of national mythologies. For hundreds of years England has brandished its thalassic geography as a treatise of power: the scepter’d isle that never never shall be enslaved.

But as England now cheerfully hoists itself by its own petard, disrespecting its own maritime coastline by defiling it with its own internal bowel movements, the sea arguably looms even larger in Ireland’s national story. From the arrival of St Patrick over the waves to Cromwell’s invasion across the waters; the waves of 19th-century emigration; arguably the nation’s greatest literary creation named for Ulysses, that seafaring hero; and now the contested ‘border down the Irish Sea’ of the botched Brexit deal.

Thankfully that patch of brine is unlikely to turn out quite as apocalyptically corpse-filled as Gustav Doré’s 19th-century engraving of Dante ferried across the deadly River Styx. The water could be the gateway to a new and better life, especially for their Irish ancestors or for the current generation of desperate asylum seekers, but it can also become a liquid cemetery. Still, as the image this Dublin four-piece have selected for the cover of False Lankum, it does rather establish a tone.

False Lankum is the group’s first since 2019’s The Livelong Day, and by some measure their most ambitious in terms of instrumentation, arrangements and the sheer creation of atmosphere. In the toolbox are bowed banjo, drums, hammered dulcimer, bowed guitar, harmonium, tape loops and drums. It takes quite some skill on a folk record to walk the line convincingly between enticingly supernatural mythos and the sense that it is unmistakably of our own time, that it’s not beached in an idealised version of history. That really would be False, a word particularly pertinent in the context of folk music with its hangups about ‘authenticity’, still often held up as a benchmark of quality and credibility. But those who prize this fool’s gold forget (or remain wilfully ignorant) that folk arises from no single authoritative source; that its development and progress depends on the ones who dare to distort it and play with it, adding elements of the impure and the mongrel. James Joyce had a similar relationship to literary tradition, and it’s entirely appropriate that the band overnighted during the recording of this album in a Martello Tower in Sandycove near the one featured in Ulysses.

Lankum enjoy a satisfyingly polyglot existence – a band equally at home soundtracking a fashion show by Simone Rocha and perpetrating ritual anti-colonialist drones at Westminster Hall. Named after one of the grisliest, most bloodspattered songs in the English folk canon, Lankum are fully aware of the traditions they pilfer. Of 12 tracks on this curated collection, there are three extracts from a single improvisation, two originals and seven folk songs, whose provenance is documented in the sleevenotes with the dedication of their forerunners in the folk scene of the late ’50s and 1960s. Their stories remind you how precarious and serendipitous is the handful of songs we call the ‘canon’.

False Lankum is soaked in the sea, though by no means oceanic. The soundworld is more cabined than that, gloriously cribbed and confined. The sea is one of many acknowledged folk routes, conduits by which songs and their messages are transported from place to place, handed on from culture to culture. “Go Dig My Grave”, a collage of floating verses from across the ages, began as part of an English 17th-century songbook by Robert Johnson (not that one), was taken up by Jean Ritchie in the 1960s on her wonderful live LP with Doc Watson, and has been revived more recently by Norway’s Susanna. It’s a dark clod, the way Lankum shovel it. Draped across the song is an electronic high-pitched drone, irritating to the ear, like something Scott Walker might have arranged, a supernatural caul or shroud. Keening fiddle, caterwauling with dead souls. Every beat heavy as a marble slab crashing on a hole in the ground. A comatose funereal march with a coda full of whispers from the other side, the rumour mill of dead souls. It’s a hell of an opening track.

Lankum’s current group sound serves the idea of a modern folk music extremely well. Instead of privileging individual voices, they sound like more than the effort of a collective of humans – a kind of ancient dramatic chorus, submerging lone voices into the mass. They tell of stowaways detected by supernatural means in “New York Trader” and display delicacy in “On A Monday Morning” and the Child ballad “Lord Abore And Mary Flynn”, with its glorious restrained strings.

If this album has a visible sound world it is black wet leaf mulch on the forest floor, and the green shoots rising from out of it. There are, we’re told, sensual and angry techniques buried in the midriff of this album where instruments were subjected to subtle acts of violence, horsehair snapped, stroked across piano wires. But all of this is stirred deep within the record’s churning well, not left hanging to demonstrate avant-gardiness for its own sake.

However, the songs’ gaps have interesting little traces, dusty skitters, sound flakes. On the two originals (written by Daragh Lynch), “Netta Perseus” and “The Turn”, voices double across the octave, which always creates an unsettling sense that the song is being shadowed by some presence burrowing underground. “The Turn” begins like a lost tune from Floyd’s Wish You Were Here but flourishes over 13 minutes into a leaping throb of joy that shakes a defiant, heart-pumping fist at Death itself, and bows out on a garbled rush of noise recalling the notorious feedback interval in My Bloody Valentine’s “You Made Me Realise”.

Anyone dealing with folk music in the 21st century is working with salvage, with flotsam and jetsam from ages gone. Lankum have found a convincing way to keep the damn hulk going, stoking the engines of folk tradition and setting course to who knows when.

Depeche Mode – Memento Mori

Maybe Depeche Mode were always destined to assume their final form as a synth duo. Way back in their early days, after they formed at a Basildon school concert in June 1980, they felt a little like a rock band who hadn’t quite completed their electronic evolution, and had been left with vestigial members, guys who might have once been bass players or drummers, and now were simply required to prod monosynths while looking moody on Top Of The Pops. Vince Clarke certainly seemed to think so, jumping ship as soon as possible to form Yazoo and Erasure.

But maybe the other guys – Alan Wilder, recruited as a kind of in-house musical director after Clarke’s departure, and Andy Fletcher, the dependable Basildon soul of the band – were always needed as a kind of interpersonal buffer, precisely because, once things got cooking, the core of the band was too volatile to be sustainable. Flood identified Dave Gahan and Martin Gore early on as respectively the attitude and the ideas that fuelled Depeche Mode. But for all the band’s astonishing success, it never felt like a creative marriage of minds or even a wary co-dependency, but more like some highly unstable, fissile chemical reaction: the Essex wideboy turned LA rock casualty and the ruined choirboy turned Berlin sex dungeoneer. For much of the band’s imperial phase they couldn’t live on the same continent, let alone share a tour bus.

But now, following Fletch’s untimely death last year, they are two. And though as men in their sixties, post detox, rehab and therapy, you don’t expect spectacular, ruinous conflagrations, what’s remarkable is that Memento Mori, their 15th album, is their most powerful work this century. It’s the sound of a band entering a final act with a renewed sense of purpose, and sharp, sober new focus.

“Ghosts Again”, the lead single, emerged with February’s snowdrops and had a startling freshness, recalling Bowie’s “Where Are We Now?” in its bittersweet reckoning with lost time. The shade of Bowie was compounded by Anton Corbijn’s beautifully stark, Bergman-esque video, and the revelation that the song was one of a handful of new collaborations between Martin Gore and The Psychedelic Furs’ Richard Butler. The echo of Bowie, passed down through Butler’s phrases (“you drive like a demon”, from “Caroline’s Monkey”) and phrasing, into Gahan’s bereft croon (remember that he first got the DM gig after the fledging band saw him singing “Heroes” in an Essex scout hut) sets the tone for Memento Mori as a great, unexpected late career regeneration.

Though the songs and the direction of the album were conceived during lockdown before Fletch’s passing, from its stoic title on, the album is inevitably coloured by his loss. On “Wagging Tongue”, the sole Gahan-Gore co-write, Dave sings of how “everything feels hollow/When you watch another angel die”, while the twisting, Leonard Cohen-style couplets of “Don’t Say You Love Me” revolve around images of corpses, flowers and goodbye notes.

But while Bowie set sail for the beyond with a late turn into avant-jazz, Gore, with assistance from producer James Ford and engineer/tape looper Marta Salogni, has distilled the band’s sound down to some diamond-hard essence of Depeche Mode, all twinkling Kraftwerk kometenmelodie (“People Are Good” liberally quotes from “We Are The Robots”), flanged gothic bass (particularly on the epic closing “Speak To Me”) and darkly distorted guitar (on “Never Let Me Go”). After the laboriously strenuous post-rehab albums it all feels remarkably fresh, a return to the simplicity of their very first recordings.

But it’s a couple of outliers that feel like the heart of the record. “Soul With Me”, one of five Martin Gore solo compositions, is a sensational cosmic showtune, like Bowie crash landing onto the stage of Sally Bowles’ Cabaret, with Martin singing his heart out as he heads out into the afterlife: “I’m ready for the final stages/Kiss goodbye to earthly cages”.

Caroline’s Monkey”, meanwhile, bears the strongest imprint of Richard Butler’s involvement. A synth-pop tune that might have fallen off Scary Monsters…, it boasts a sarcastic self-help litany of a chorus – “Fading’s better than failing/Falling’s better than feeling/Folding’s better than losing/Fixing’s better than healing” – before concluding with a heavily sardonic “Sometimes…

The first is the closest Depeche Mode will ever get to performing “My Way”; the second, a kind of absurdist “the show must go on” declaration via Samuel Beckett. As they set out on what can’t help but look like a valedictory tour to face their final curtain, they couldn’t hope for a finer pair of anthems, or a more assured album, with which to venture into that vast good night.

Hear Peter Gabriel’s new track, i/o

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Peter Gabriel has released the title track from his forthcoming album, “i/o”.

Released to coincide with this month’s full moon, you can hear the Bright-Side Mix of “i/o” below.

“i/o” follows “Playing For Fire”, “The Court” and “Panopticom”.

Gabriel – who is on the cover of this month’s Uncut – wrote and produced the track, which was primarily recorded at Real World Studios in Wiltshire and The Beehive in London. The song features Soweto Gospel Choir, who were recorded at High Seas Studios in South Africa.

“This month the song is i/o and i/o means input / output,” says Gabriel. “You see it on the back of a lot of electrical equipment and it just triggered some ideas about the stuff we put in and pull out of ourselves, in physical and non-physical ways. That was the starting point of this idea and then trying to talk about the interconnectedness of everything. The older I get, I probably don’t get any smarter, but I have learned a few things and it makes a lot of sense to me that we are not these independent islands that we like to think we are, that we are part of a whole. If we can see ourselves as better connected, still messed up individuals, but as part of a whole, then maybe there’s something to learn?”

The Soweto Gospel Choir, meanwhile, had previously featured on the song “Down To Earth” that was recorded for the film Wall-E and who Gabriel has also performed with twice in South Africa at events for Nelson Mandela and Bishop Desmond Tutu.

“I didn’t always hear the Soweto Gospel Choir on this song, but every time I’ve worked with them it’s always been fantastic. You can just feel the energy whenever they sing on this record, and on the song I did for Wall-E, it’s just joyous. It hits you in the heart.”

Continuing the theme of working with a different artist for each song release, this month’s track is accompanied by a cover image featuring the work of Olafur Eliasson, who Gabriel first met when the artist was launching his Little Sun Project.

“Olafur Eliasson is an extraordinary artist who, in many ways I think, is the king of light. A lot of his work is to do with light and with nature and I really felt that for this song in particular he would be absolutely perfect and I was delighted when he said, yes. This piece is called Colour experiment no. 114, from 2022.

“I think Olafur is a mixture between artist, scientist and magician. He always has a mission and something to say about the world and nature and light and our experience of it and that helps us to reconsider how we interact with our environment.”

Just like the previous full moon releases, i/o will come with differing mix approaches from Mark ‘Spike’ Stent (Bright-Side Mix), released on 6 April. Tchad Blake (Dark-Side Mix) and Hans-Martin Buff’s Atmos mix (In-Side Mix), will be released later in the month.

As well as new music, Gabriel will tour later this year.

i/o The Tour – Europe 2023

Thursday, May 18: TAURON Arena, Krakow, Poland
Saturday, May 20: Verona Arena, Verona, Italy
Sunday, May 21: Mediolanum Arena, Milan, Italy
Tuesday, May 23: AccorHotels Arena, Paris, France
Wednesday, May 24: Stade Pierre-Mauroy, Lille, France
Friday, May 26: Waldbuehne, Berlin, Germany
Sunday, May 28: Koenigsplatz, Munich, Germany
Tuesday, May 30: Royal Arena, Copenhagen, Denmark
Wednesday, May 31: Avicii Arena, Stockholm, Sweden
Friday, June 2: Koengen, Bergen, Norway
Monday, June 5: Ziggo Dome, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Tuesday, June 6: Sportpaleis, Antwerp, Belgium
Thursday, June 8: Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland
Saturday, June 10: Lanxess Arena, Cologne, Germany
Monday, June 12: Barclays Arena, Hamburg, Germany
Tuesday, June 13: Festhalle, Frankfurt, Germany
Thursday, June 15: Arkea Arena, Bordeaux, France
Saturday, June 17: Utilita Arena, Birmingham, UK
Monday, June 19: The O2, London, UK
Thursday, June 22: OVO Hydro, Glasgow, UK
Friday, June 23: AO Arena, Manchester, UK
Sunday, June 25: 3Arena, Dublin, Ireland

Send us your questions for Adam Granduciel!

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15 years ago, we got our first glimpse of The War On Drugs at a Club Uncut night at The Borderline (RIP). Despite being late additions to the bill after the cancellation of a tour had left them stranded in London, they blew us away with a “frantic 30 minutes or so, packed from floor to ceiling with moments of startling rapture and abandoned mayhem.”

And now look at them: arena-fillers at home and abroad, their upcoming European tour takes in such grand locations as Halifax’s Piece Hall, Dublin’s Trinity College and The Eden Project. You can view the full list of The War On The Drugs’ summer dates here.

Bur before bandleader Adam Granduciel buttons up his plaid shirt, straps on his trusty Fender Jazzmaster and prepares to whip up a storm, he’s consented to a gentle grilling from you, the Uncut readers. So what do you want to ask a modest, modern-day rock hero? Send us your questions to audiencewith@www.uncut.co.uk and Adam will answer the best ones in a future issue of Uncut.

House Of All: “We’re honouring what Mark taught us”

Meet House Of All, a new band comprised entirely of ex-Fall members in our MAY 2023 issue of Uncut, available to buy here.

Last year, after The Fall’s co-founding guitarist Martin Bramah moved back to Manchester, he had an idea to form a band of former Fall musicians. He rang Marc Riley, the 6 Music DJ and early Fall member, but Riley told him he didn’t play music any more. Another ex-Fall guitarist, Craig Scanlon, said the same. Classic-era bassist Steve Hanley and his drumming brother Paul were interested, but Bramah was all set to shelve the idea when by chance he bumped into mid-period Fall drummer Simon Wolstencroft, aka Funky Si, who he’d barely seen since they played together during Bramah’s second spell in the group in 1990. “I thought, ‘Two drummers!’ Then it started to come together.”

The final piece of the House Of All jigsaw was Pete Greenway, a younger guitarist who spent eight years in The Fall prior to singer Mark E Smith’s death. Gathered in a Manchester pub to talk to Uncut, the new group represents the entire lifespan of The Fall from 1976 to 2018, though Greenway had never met the others before. In fact, they only had one initial meeting before going straight into the studio to record their debut album. As Greenway puts it, “I was intrigued by the idea of just turning up, plugging in and seeing what happened.”

Bramah – who still also fronts Blue Orchids, and in some ways is as mercurial and wilful a character as Smith – had some strong ideas for House Of All. There would be no Fall songs or attempts to replicate the sound, though he did want to recreate Smith’s way of working: a pressurised environment where music could be conjured up on the spot. “Some of the best [Fall] moments were improvised,” says Bramah. “That was the element I was interested in recapturing.”

Armed only with a few Bramah lyrics, House Of All entered a studio in Ancoats for three days, and came up with the eight songs that form their debut album. House Of All is full of trademark Hanley basslines and motorik rhythms, but never sounds too much like The Fall.

There are songs about “Westminster and the royal household” (“Dominus Ruinea”), about the joy of creativity (“Magic Sound”) and songs named after books of medieval poetry (“Ayenbite”). Their shared history seems to have produced a weird, pan-generational chemistry. “It could have been lousy,” admits Paul Hanley, “but having all been in The Fall made us able to do it.”

In January, the single “Harlequin Duke” was released on the internet to a very positive response – other than from the Smith estate, who released a statement saying they found House Of All “extremely offensive and very misleading to the wider audience of Mark E Smith and The Fall”. The ruckus didn’t last – the family’s principal objection was to the “Fall family continuum” tag, which the band have since stopped using – but Bramah insists they’re “honouring what Mark taught us”. So what do they think Smith would have made of House Of All?

“He would have gone absolutely ballistic!” concedes Greenway. “But the only connection is our shared experience and way of working. We’re not trying to be The Fall.” Bramah is quietly positive: “I like to think he’s on a fluffy cloud somewhere… and would wish us well.”

House Of All is out on May 13 via Tiny Global Productions; the band play The Garage, London (May 18) The White Hotel, Manchester (19), Newhampton Arts Centre, Wolverhampton (20), The Cluny, Newcastle (22), Summerhall, Edinburgh (23) and The White Hotel, Manchester (25)

Seymour Stein has died aged 80

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Seymour Stein has died at the age of 80.

His passing was confirmed by his youngest daughter Mandy, who told The New York Times that he died in his Los Angeles home on Sunday (April 2) after a battle with cancer.

Credit: Matthew Eisman/WireImage

Stein was born in New York City on April 18, 1942. He became enamoured with the music industry in high school, and at 15 (in 1957), worked a summer internship at King Records in Cincinnati. He became a clerk for Billboard just a year later, and in 1961, took on a permanent role at King.

In 1966, Stein – alongside record producer Richard Gottehrer – founded Sire Productions. The pair each invested $10,000 (today amounting to a little under $93,000) and started out by introducing the underground sounds of British prog-rock to the American market. By the mid-1970s, Sire was a force to be reckoned with in the US’ new wave and punk scenes, with Stein signing both the Ramones and Talking Heads in 1975.

During the ’80s, he signed The Pretenders and Madonna while Sire became the American home for UK bands including The Cure, Depeche Mode and The Smiths. He remained Sire’s president – as well as the vice president of Warner Bros. Records – until he retired from the music industry in July of 2018. He was inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame (which he co-founded in 1983) in 2005, and in 2016, was crowned with the Richmond Hitmaker Award in the Songwriters Hall Of Fame.

The same year he retired, Stein published his autobiography, Siren Song: My Life In Music. A year prior, at age 75, he came out as gay.

Watch the video for Dexys’ new single, “I’m Going To Get Free”

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Dexys have announced that their new album The Feminine Divine – their first collection of new material since 2012’s One Day I’m Going To Soar – will be released by 100% Records on July 28.

Watch Kevin Rowland dancing down London’s Bethnal Green Road in the video for lead-off single “I’m Going To Get Free” below:

The Feminine Divine was written by Rowland with the “nucleus” of the current band: original Dexys’ trombonist Big Jim Paterson, plus Sean Read and Mike Timothy. “It’s always just natural with me,” says Rowland. “The inspiration comes first, I think about what I can do, what songs I’ve got, then approach the band… I’ve been doing this a long time. But I feel I’ve got to it now.”

The album was produced by Pete Schwier and Toby Chapman, with cover art inspired by Pele, the Hawaiian goddess of fire and volcanoes.

Accompanying live shows are due to be announced shortly. In the meantime you can pre-order The Feminine Divine here and peruse the tracklisting below:

01. The One That Loves You
02. It’s Alright Kevin (Manhood 2023)
03. I’m Going To Get Free
04. Coming Home
05. The Feminine Divine
06. My Goddess Is
07. Goddess Rules
08. My Submission
09. Dance With Me

Pauline Black – My Life In Music

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The Selecter’s longtime leader reveals what’s on her radio: “Certain songs are pivotal in your life because they make you stray off the path”, in our MAY 2023 issue of Uncut, available to buy here.

ARETHA FRANKLIN
“Respect”
ATLANTIC, 1967

I suppose I was 13 or 14 when I first heard it. It was a revelation to me because she wasn’t like all the other black women who were around at that time in groups like The Supremes. She was a fully formed woman in all respects, and she was just so challenging.

She’d taken an Otis Redding song, which is really just unrequited love nonsense, but somehow she imbued it with the time she was living in, when feminism was first coming to the fore and black women were becoming more visible. That opening line, “What you want!” – she makes it confrontational. I just remember thinking, ‘Wow!’ She was a performer who knew what she was about and where she was going.

THE PIONEERS
“Long Shot Kick De Bucket”
BEVERLEY’S RECORDS, 1968

The school I went to was in Romford, but some of the kids who went there were from Dagenham. There was a little posse of skinheads among them, both boys and girls, and they used to play records in the common room and do this line dancing thing. I was fascinated, because I’d never heard that kind of reggae music. Millie [Small] had been around with “My Boy Lollipop” and things like that, but this was completely different. It wasn’t all as good as The Pioneers, I have to admit, but that one stuck in my brain. So, yeah, you’ve got a young black woman being introduced to ska music by white skinheads in Romford, which is fairly bizarre!

BOB DYLAN
The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan
COLUMBIA, 1963

I was studying biochemistry at Lanchester Polytechnic, now Coventry University, and got in with a whole different set of people. I got really absorbed into The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan, but particularly into “Oxford Town”, because I was the only black student in this place of further education. I thought, ‘If I was in the Deep South of America, none of this would be happening, I would be fighting to try and get into a university’ – and that’s what “Oxford Town” is about. I’d just come out of Romford and was thrust into all this, but it opened up the mind. I started playing guitar around folk clubs in Coventry and it went from there.

JONI MITCHELL
Blue
REPRISE, 1971

The Old Dyers Arms in Coventry used to have ‘stay-backs’ on a Sunday afternoon. The Fureys would sometimes turn up and sing Irish songs, there’d be people doing Richie Havens stuff and then there’d be real finger-in-your-ear business as well. Again, I was the only black person, and the only woman, but I started doing a few songs and nobody asked me to leave. I used to do Dylan’s “Girl From The North Country”, and from that I picked up on other things like Joni Mitchell. The song “Blue”, the way it starts: “Songs are like tattoos”… and they are like tattoos, on your soul. Certain songs are pivotal in your life because they make you think about different things or stray off the path you were on.

FELA KUTI & AFRIKA 70
International Thief Thief (ITT)
KALAKUTA, 1980

I always knew my father was Nigerian, but being adopted, I didn’t really have any more information than that. The Selecter’s rhythm guitarist Compton Amanor, whose mother was Ghanaian, was the first mixed-race person I could really sit and talk to. He introduced me to both highlife and Afrobeat. As soon as I heard Fela Kuti, I just felt at home with what was going on, even though I didn’t really understand what he was saying. He showed how you could be free, and kind of own the stage. I got to interview Fela once for Channel 4. A week later he rang me up late at night and invited me to become one of his wives! He was that crazy.

BJÖRK
Debut ONE
LITTLE INDIAN, 1993

This was a favourite of mine in the ’90s when The Selecter reformed. I wore the damn CD out on one of our American tours. Again, it had that same quality of being quite confrontational, but in a completely different way. This woman had come from Iceland, which was a million miles away from Aretha Franklin, but nonetheless they seemed to be sort of plumbing the same kind of area, ie, themselves, how they operated in the world and a fascination with what goes on between people. Björk is a bit of an outsider, and that was always something that I could relate to because for most of my life I’ve felt othered for all kinds of reasons.

KENDRICK LAMAR
Damn
TOP DAWG/AFTERMATH/INTERSCOPE, 2017

I’m always very attracted to the words that people use and how they use those words to get across what they’re thinking. He’s having this kind of polemic with himself all the time, and I really like that. The opening – “Is it wickedness? Is it weakness?” – is such an amazing start to a record, and it really made me think about the time that I was living in: it was very Trumpian, Brexit had happened, and also the whole Ferguson thing. It seemed crazy that black men are gunned down on the street for hardly any reason at all in America, but here they were handing this black guy a Pulitzer. It was two huge extremes in a country which is full of extremes, obviously. But we were going in that direction here as well.

LITTLE SIMZ
“Woman”
AGE 101/AWAL, 2021

I met her when I went out to South America with Damon Albarn and Gorillaz. I had such fun on that tour and I was so in awe of her talent. The track “Woman” is so original. She’s independent because she doesn’t want to be influenced by all the usual tropes, which allows her to maintain an authenticity about herself. Also she’s Nigerian, so I obviously have a degree of kinship there. For me, I guess it all started with Billie Holiday. There are so many iterations of “Strange Fruit” through the years, completely different [musically] but still with the same subject matter and the same degree of intensity. It seems to be a through-line, and Little Simz is holding the baton at the moment.

Ryuichi Sakamoto has died aged 71

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Ryuichi Sakamoto has died aged 71.

A statement on the composer’s official website reads: “While undergoing treatment for cancer discovered in June 2020, Sakamoto continued to create works in his home studio whenever his health would allow. He lived with music until the very end.

“We would like to express out deepest gratitude to his fans and all those who have supported his activities, as well as medical professionals in Japan and the United States who did everything in their power to cure him.”

“In accordance with Sakamoto’s strong wishes, the funeral service was held among his close family members. Finally, we would like to share one of Sakamoto’s favourite quotes: ‘Ars longa, vita brevis’ [Art is Long, life is short’].”

Sakamoto was first diagnosed with throat cancer in 2014, prompting him to take a year off music. After treatment, the cancer went into remission, but in 2020 it was confirmed he had been diagnosed with rectal cancer.

In an essay published last June, Sakamoto revealed that he had undergone surgery in late 2021 to remove cancer that had spread to both lungs and was still battling stage 4 cancer.

“Since I have made it this far in life, I hope to be able to make music until my last moment, like Bach and Debussy whom I adore,” he wrote.

In December, Sakamoto shared a livestream concert, Ryuichi Sakamoto: Playing the Piano 2022. In a video message, he explained that due to treatment, his “strength has really fallen, so a normal concert of about an hour to ninety minutes would be very difficult,” so he had recorded each track separately before editing them together “so it can be presented as a regular concert.”

Sakamoto was a member of electronic pioneer, Yellow Magic Orchestra, which he co-founded in Tokyo in 1978 along with Haruomi Hosono (bass, keyboards, vocals) and Yukihiro Takahashi (drums, lead vocals, occasional keyboards). YMO broke up in 1984, though they occasionally reunited for releases and reunion concerts; Takahashi died on January 11, 2023.

Meanwhile, Sakamoto also pursued a solo career, including “Riot In Lagos” from his 1980 solo album, B-2 Unit, which proved hugely influential on early electro and hip hop artists like Afrika Bambaata and Mantronix.

Sakamoto’s subsequent career was boundless and wide-ranging. In 1983, he starred in Nagisa Ōshima’s film Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence alongside David Bowie; Sakamoto also wrote the main theme, “Forbidden Colours”, which he recorded with David Sylvian.

Sakamoto and Sylvian enjoyed a fruitful collaborative relationship during the ’80s, one of many that also included creative alliances with Iggy Pop, Robert Wyatt, Laurie Anderson, Alva Noto and Taylor Deupree, among others.

He won numerous awards – including an Oscar, a Grammy, a Bafta and two Golden Globes – for his work as a film composer, scoring the likes of The Last Emperor, The Sheltering Sky, Little Buddha and The Revenant.

A master of multiple compositional forms, from Bach-inspired piano pieces to experimental electronic projects, he sustained a questing spirit for over 50 years.

His final album was 12, which was released on January 17 – which was also Sakamoto’s 71st birthday.

Send us your questions for Evan Dando!

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2023 marks the 30th anniversary of Evan Dando’s offhand pop masterpiece Come On Feel The Lemonheads. Naturally there’s a celebratory two-disc, rarities-packed deluxe reissue coming out (via Fire Records on May 19) and Dando is also off on solo tour around the US from April 22 (see the full list of dates here).

But first, he’s kindly submitted to a gentle grilling from you lot, the Uncut readers, for our latest Audience With powwow. So what do you want to ask an all-round indie-rock legend? Send us your questions to audiencewith@www.uncut.co.uk by Tuesday (April 4) and Evan will answer the best ones in a future issue of Uncut.

London Brew – London Brew

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There have been plenty of projects where artists have faithfully covered entire classic albums – from Sgt Pepper to Dark Side Of The Moon, from Kind Of Blue to OK Computer – putting a respectful spin on the existing melodies and chords. Bitches Brew, Miles Davis’ groundbreaking 1970 double album and a regular in ‘best ever’ polls, is one canonical release that resists such treatment. It is not a record that can be transcribed and reduced to dots on a page. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to hum any of it. Its essence lies in its unorthodox choice of sounds – effects-laden Fender Rhodes pianos; Bennie Maupin’s rumbling bass clarinet; the shocking, non-tonal howl of John McLaughlin’s discordant guitar. Bitches Brew is also the product of a very particular methodology: musicians improvising freely over a thick, dissonant fug. The chords barely change. Melodies or riffs are rarely repeated.

London Brew is a “reimagining” of the Bitches Brew album, assembled by Grammy-winning Swedish producer Martin Terefe. Terefe is best known for working on big albums by the likes of KT Tunstall, Ron Sexsmith and A-ha while based in London over the last 20 years, but he’s also taken an interest in the current UK jazz scene, and between lockdowns in late 2020, he assembled several top British jazzers to mark what would have been Bitches Brew’s 50th anniversary. These musicians might have grown up playing American jazz but have often set themselves in opposition to it, borrowing instead from Caribbean, West African, South African and Indian music, as well as UK club culture. It’s why this take on Bitches Brew maintains a distinctly London accent.

Interestingly, some of the key voicings of the original album are absent. There is no trumpet, for starters. The lead instruments are the twin tenor saxophones of Nubya Garcia and Shabaka Hutchings, while Theon Cross’ tuba subs in for Maupin’s bass clarinet. Playing the role of McLaughlin is guitarist Dave Okumu, laying down heavy, distorted riffs, while instead of Joe Zawinul, Chick Corea and Larry Young we have Nick Ramm and Nikolaj Torp Larsen, both playing Rhodes and other keyboards.

The first track is close to the mood of the original album – a 23-minute jam over a mutating funk beat, filled with light and dark. Horns quack, guitars and keyboards fizz and shimmer; the saxophonists switch to flutes; suddenly the drums drop out for all the band to play ruminative improvisations, before slowly building back into a furious funk rhythm. It’s an absolutely titanic piece of modal jazz.

On the next two tracks, the band dig deep into other Davis innovations of that era. On the 16-minute “London Beat Part 2”, an echo-laden dub groove is topped by Okumu playing a monstrously heavy guitar solo, reminiscent of McLaughlin’s freakout on “Right Off” from A Tribute To Jack Johnson. Before long, the entire piece has mutated into a gentle, drumless waltz; eventually it moves into an aqueous, atmospheric coda that recalls something from In A Silent Way. “Miles Chases New Voodoo In The Church” is more reminiscent of Davis’ mid-’70s sessions on albums like Get Up With It – it starts as a furious funk groove, with Hutchings and Garcia playing their saxophones through a harmonizer pedal (of the kind used by ’80s Miles sidekick Kenny Garrett) that splits their sound into fourths. It then mutates into a galloping waltz, where tenor sax, clarinet, violin, tuba and melodica all play layers of interlocking improvisations.

As the album goes on, the tracks start to sound less like the original Bitches Brew sessions. “Mor Ning Prayers” is a 10-minute groove that starts with Okumu’s backwards-sounding guitar over a rolling Afrobeat groove. “Nu Sha Ni Sha Nu Oss Ra” is a rare moment of meditation, with Shabaka Hutchings soloing over a pentatonic scale. “Bassics” is a weightless, drumless piece where double bass, tuba, melodica and flute interlock over the sound of a throbbing heartbeat. Even less Miles-ish is the album closer “Raven Flies Low”, which starts as a dubby groove, mutates into a rolling waltz, and then closes on an eerie, almost symphonic trio for violin, bowed bass and E-bowed guitar.

Brilliant though many of these musicians have been in numerous other contexts, this might be some of their finest work: a thrilling 90-minute voyage into the outer regions of electric jazz.

Emmett Finley – Emmett Finley

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“The innocent girls of Woodstock had traded their knickers for knives,” wrote Emmett Finley, looking back in anger to the end of 1969 when he began writing his debut – and to date only – album. The decade’s countercultural idealism was fading fast, with Charles Manson’s ‘Family’, the Mỹ Lai massacre in Vietnam and The Rolling Stones at Altamont dominating thoughts. By the time of the record’s belated 1971 release, this fall from grace was irrefutable; in February, The Observer magazine’s front page announced the “End of the Hippie Dream”. No wonder the LP’s cover featured Finley’s profile superimposed over a cowboy-hatted man in black dragging his guitar through a snowbound graveyard.

The opening lines of “So Easy” – the sound of Buffalo Springfield covering The First Edition with Don Randi on piano – indicate his pessimism. “Can’t you see that all those people / Are wrong and I am right?” he pleads, his falsetto as sweetly melancholic as Neil Young’s. There are similar questions elsewhere, too. On the mournful break-up tune “Without You Now”, multitracked, Lennon-esque vocals echo amid often angrily strummed acoustic guitars, while bursts of battered drums disturb the superficial Laurel Canyon serenity. “Is there sense to this nonsense I am dreaming now?” he asks. His conclusion? “It’s over / Oh my, what have I done?

Finley’s disenchantment is most transparent on the dramatic “Monster”, its complex structure evoking Pink Floyd’s pastoral reveries, The Who’s aggression and, at some points, Can’s motorik krautrock: “The war is over”, he laments, “Yet the war has just begun”.

Such sentiments ought to have served the prevailing mood, yet following a modest release on the ominously named Poison Ring Records, the album sank without trace. Despite a subsequent flirtation with CBS, Finley himself swiftly disappeared soon afterwards. The album’s burgeoning cult appeal appears to have briefly smoked him out, prompting a series of eccentric blog posts in 2014, but they dried up 18 months later. He joined Twitter, too, but used it just once, declaring his genius to – of all people – Roger Federer. Whether Finley is still alive remains unclear.

Judging by this album, his gift is incontestable, if curiously anglophile. A lifelong friend of Les Paul’s, he’s a remarkable guitarist, mixing acoustic and electric instruments with flair, and his arrangements are ambitious and imaginative, particularly his enrolment of The Ellington Sisters, whose soulful harmonies provide the climax to “Paula’s Song” and lift “Gospel” heavenwards before closing it with a two-minute drone. Even the sprightly “Sky King”, an apparent “inside joke” about a Jimi Hendrix session thwarted by a dose of unexpectedly psychedelic cold medicine, sounds like The Beatles playing garage rock. As Finley wrote on his blog, “Maybe the record doesn’t deserve the lonesome death it received.”

Pretty Things’ Dick Taylor: “I’m not sure we wanted the level of success of somebody like the Stones”

Dick Taylor, Pretty Things founder on the story of their music, “We wanted to put our own mark on things” in our MAY 2023 issue of Uncut, available to buy here.

How would you summarise The Pretty Things in 1964?

We were an R&B band that wanted to be popular but didn’t want to be a pop group. We wanted to be a bit different and true to our artistic principles. We had ambition and incompetence. What we didn’t want to do, and Phil was very hot on this, was to try and reproduce somebody else’s work. We wanted to do Bo Diddley songs but in our own way, which was rough and ready. We wanted to put our own mark on things.

When did you and Phil start writing together?

It took a while for the partnership to develop. “Rosalyn” was by Jimmy Duncan, one of our managers with Bryan Morrison. We should have got an arrangement royalty because we did totally transform it. Then we had “Don’t Bring Me Down” by John Dee. Then I wrote “Honey, I Need” and that’s when Phil started to join me in writing. Some of the songs, I did a verse and then Phil would come and add other verses. Melodically, when it came to the vocal line he always had significant input. It was proper collaboration. Bowie covered the first two singles for Pin Ups. Bowie was our first fan. He used to follow us quite a lot, this weird skinny guy. We got no royalties from Pin Ups but it was very cool and helped people find out about us.

How did you evolve?

With Emotions, Phil had the concept of a concept album about emotions, but it wasn’t as fully formed as SF Sorrow. Phil came to really dislike Emotions because of the brass arrangements, which weren’t exactly Memphis. I have grown to like it, but Phil felt it was a transitional thing until we eventually got to SF Sorrow. The idea was to do longer themed albums. We’d listen to stuff like A Love Supreme, which had one track on an entire side, and want to do something similar. It’s wonderful that SF Sorrow is still around. People are always coming to us saying it was hugely influential. One of the reasons I left the band at that point was I felt we had done something I was really proud of.

Were you evolving too fast for the audience?

Everywhere we went, the audience was different. We’d go to Newcastle and the crowd was still screaming girls. We’d play the Ricky-Tick in Windsor and it was very sophisticated. We used to play Harlow to a Mod audience then we were somewhere up north and a guy with a leather jacket said very earnestly “You’d never play to those mods, would you?” In London, we played to the hippie crowd at UFO, Middle Earth or the Roundhouse.

Did you stay in touch after you left the band?

I remained pretty close. I mixed them at live shows for a while. Throughout that era, Phil was always trying new things. Sometimes it was difficult for him. In the Swan Song era when they went off to America and had Peter Grant behind them, Phil kind of had what he wanted and realised it wasn’t what he wanted after all. I’m not sure we wanted the level of success of somebody like the Stones – I don’t think I wanted that, or Phil either.

Tell me about Cross Talk, which is very different again to what came before?

I had been to see The Clash a few times and it was very exciting. Phil had a thing about The Police and he also loved The Pretenders and Tom Petty. But hopefully Cross Talk doesn’t sound like we were just copying New Wave and there’s a bit of character of our own. The day before Cross Talk was due to come out, there was a big exposé on World In Action about how Warner Bros were paying to get records into the charts. That meant there was no promotion for the record. The other thing they did was press the same side twice, which went out to reviewers. As compensation, Phil was sent a huge cheese. “Sorry, we fucked your career, here’s a big cheese…” After Cross Talk, we continued in various guises until we met Mark St John, our manager who managed to sort out our rights. That’s the reason we can do this box. All these things were on different labels and now they’re here in one big box.

Why did you go back to the studio in 1999?

We wanted to make good music again. It was really nice to be back in a studio. The Sweet Pretty Things… came from a line in “Tombstone Blues”, which I am sure was a nod to us. Bob Dylan was very friendly with Brian Pendleton our rhythm guitarist. One time I was in Blaises and Dana Gillespie came up and said Bob wanted to know if Brian was around. I thought I was going to be invited to join their table but he only wanted Brian. But we did all get invited to a show Dylan did at the BBC.

In a way it was quite a lovely experience. I’d pick Phil up from the station and drive to the studio and we’d chat. Just the two of us. Phil had started showing signs of being unwell around four years before the album. We were in Spain and had to leave him in hospital – I thought it might be the last time I’d see him. So that album and the final show at the Indigo were a bonus. It made that last album very moving. We were back doing blues and it was a fitting epitaph.